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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:24 pm 
when i told my mechanic to do the suspension, they looked at the shocks and told me that they can't insert koni shocks because the kyb ones i had were sealed. so they made me believe that the best was to get new kyb shocks so i did but for the front only. they told me that with these new ones, i can insert konis later on. does this sound normal???<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>-- n1tr0 - changed subject & made sticky -- <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=n1tr0>n1tr0</A> at: 3/14/03 9:53:03 am<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: is this true?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:47 pm 
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No that sounds very wierd... <br><br>What did he mean by sealed? That doesn't make any sense.<br><br> <p>"Don't argue with stupid people. They just bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience"</p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:42 pm 
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Our cars use "inserts" from Koni. Meaning you take your sealed shock and drill/punch a hole in it... let the oil out. Chop the top off. Put a bigger hole in the bottom of the original KYB strut, and bolt your Koni insert through the bottom. <br><br>You likely would have been better off doing this to your old strut. I haven't come accross a set of struts on a Swift that I could not do yet. <br><br>Perhaps they needed the dead ones for some Koni inserts on a friends GTi. Sounds fishy... <p>-Kyle Jones <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift GTi</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: is this true?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:52 am 
f### i knew it. i first went to a guy and he told me they will do something similer to what you described ...but the cost was $1200 so i went to my mechanic and they convinced me to do what they sugest. one of them is my uncle but they still rip me off regardless<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>i worked for them for like one week when one of them was sick and they didn't pay me anything<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>i am lucky my swift has only brocken down on the road once sice i bought it over two years ago <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ....but that eas because they didn't change the clutch cable when doing the clutch even though i complained about it ....ended costing me a fortune because i missed one day of work and paid $160 for a close by meckanic shop<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>i am never going there again<br>so you think if i let someone else do it they can use koni inserts and it will work? what springs do you suggest?<br>thanks for d info<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: is this true?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:01 am 
What did he mean by sealed? That doesn't make any sense.<br><br>they said that they are factory ones and they don't open for insets to go in so the only thing was to buy the hole thing from koni which will cost a fortune ...if they are available<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>but the first guy i talked to said they will cut them and ........ well i didn't understand him really because i had no clue what shocks even look like. then my mechanics said the other guy doesn't know what he said and i should listen to them.<br>liars<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: is this true?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:01 am 
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Changing struts for koni insert is somewhat of a performance mods., which standard mechanics are very reticent to do on any car. Since the usual job require to change the whole strut assy, most mechanics will do so..regardless the will of the owner. I remeber ordering a set of CRX calipers and answering 'its for a swift GT' to the "which car it is?" question. The guy looked at me like if I was from Mars. Or the time I ordered a set of toyo 195/45R15 for my swift and the guy kept arguing with me saying "15 inches wheels doesn't fit on these cars!!"<br>Stupid..stupid people... he just lost a sale.<br>If you want my advice, alway stand on your position while discussing for a mechanic job...even if you are not sure but have the slightiest doubt about something, because customer come first! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: sealed
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:27 am 
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Some shop here wouldn't build me a 2.25-2.5" non-mandrel exhaust system because "I would blow out all my valves". <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I made a mandrel system with Adam here easily enough... no burnt out exhaust valves in the past few years anyway.<br><br>------------<br><br>The sealed comment is dumb. All Swift ones are like that from the factory are they not? All it means is that they are not rebuildable from the factory and complete struts must be purchased to replace them. <br><br>However, that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>does not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> mean that you can't do what I described above and cut them apart to put your Koni Insert inside. In fact, if you are going to cut something apart, you likely want to do it on some old busted strut vs. something new. <br><br> As far as I know Koni does not make a rebuildable strut housing for our cars, so you have to either magically find non-oem struts that are rebuildable or do like most everybody else and do it the way I described. It is usually cheaper for the consumer to use their standard sealed struts, and it is cheaper for Koni which is why they build them as 'inserts'. If Koni themselves sends directions like that, there is certainly not a problem to start with a sealed strut. Like Jar says, mechanics don't really like making changes with performance upgrades a lot of times.<br><br>Here is a list of a few sites that take sealed struts and modify them for konis.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://64.226.197.185/Paragon/Tech/944_koni_1414S.htm">64.226.197.185/Paragon/Te..._1414S.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.roadraceengineering.com/3g/howto/3gkoniinfo.htm">www.roadraceengineering.c...niinfo.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://vbxmaxima.8m.com/koni.html">vbxmaxima.8m.com/koni.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.uwplatt.edu/~schreinm/koniarospeed.pdf">www.uwplatt.edu/~schreinm...ospeed.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>etc. etc.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Koni inserts...
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:51 am 
i did these recently for my tercel... i picked up a set of stock front struts at a junkyard, because i was told the KYB i had upgraded to earlier were gas charged... the stock struts are air/oil... i don't think you can drill the gas charged KYB's safely... it's an easy upgrade, though...<br> --- steven <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Koni inserts...
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:43 pm 
the ones i bought were gas charged too<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Koni inserts...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:39 am 
so i let the suzuki shop do the rear ones with konis. the shop told me the done hundereds on gtis.<br>i had this problem where when i went on bumpy spot the struts got stuck inside the housing and the springs got squashed. i drove it for 15 minutes like that and i had to drive 10kph and it still felt horobly bumpy<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . lukily i lifted it up and one side went back but the other didn't so it wasn't too bad to drive. i took it back to the shop and they took them off and took of the paint at the top part where it goes inside the original housing. do you people always take off that paint so it doesn't get stuck or what?<br>thanks for the help <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Koni inserts...
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2003 9:52 pm 
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a while back I posted about koni 25 way adjust shocks.<br><br>while playing the other day these race shocks are way larger then stock and there for won't fit in cut /moded housings.<br><br>but a a3 body vw <jetta golf> housings will work.<br><br>i will have foto's of this swap for the front on the suzukis soon . hopefully before knox.<br><br>my shocks are custom ordered with a 40 mm shorter bodies for lowered cars. valving for front drive road racing.<br><br>I can give part numbers for those interested parties. not cheap but i really hope worth the investment.<br>don't get me wrong my "phonis" were worth every penny<br><br><br>MURR <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=murr@teamswift>MURR</A> at: 5/4/03 10:20:25 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Koni inserts...
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 6:52 am 
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Murr,<br><br>Koni have 3 models of this shocks. Base on the info True Choice gave me the smaller ones will fit the stock GTi body, this are 8611-1257SPORT<br><br>Are this the ones you have? <br><br>Bolivar <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: is this true?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:08 pm 
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mad93gti wrote:
what springs do you suggest?<br>thanks for d info<EZCODE><img ALT=":)"><EZCODE> <p></p><i></i>

use G-max lowering springs 40mm

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