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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:01 pm 
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The Honda engine is better and so is the transmission. It has better brakes and better suspension. Why don't you just buy a Honda?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:14 pm 
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i was running front calipers off of a 88 crx si with 4 wheel brakes, get the loaded calipers that come with the bracket, go to your local hardware store and get some shims that fit the hub to caliper bolts, the caliper needs to be shimed out a bit to center it over the rotor, i also got longer mounting bolts.
stock brake lines fit the caliper, use the honda brake pads and the swift gt rotor.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:49 am 
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top down@-40 wrote:
The Honda engine is better and so is the transmission. It has better brakes and better suspension. Why don't you just buy a Honda?


Honduh Engine Better? Really? Too make any power you have to reinforce the block or you'll crack the cylinder wall sleeves. Torque isn't in the Honda dictionary. Bigger they are... Better... :huh:

Transmission you say... I can show you many Honduhs with 2nd gear syncro problems, in fact almost all the SIghs have it, a guy I work with, has an 07, and guess what, 2nd gear is picky as shit. Wanna know what Honda told him, it's supposed to be like that... It's not even an SI, just a DX.

Suspension Better?? Hahahahaha... Top brace, bottom brace, back bracing, drop it into the weeds....

Braking... Well it needs bigger brakes to deal with the extra weight... Also well maintained brakes will out stop neglected brakes, and most people I notice seem to go for brake upgrade rather than repair then notice "huge performance gains". Not that I am writing off big brake kits, bigger brakes will stop heavier/faster loads, than smaller brakes.

I do enjoy disliking Shivics... 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:29 pm 
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gamefoo21 wrote:
top down@-40 wrote:
The Honda engine is better and so is the transmission. It has better brakes and better suspension. Why don't you just buy a Honda?


Honduh Engine Better? Really? Too make any power you have to reinforce the block or you'll crack the cylinder wall sleeves. Torque isn't in the Honda dictionary. Bigger they are... Better... :huh:

Transmission you say... I can show you many Honduhs with 2nd gear syncro problems, in fact almost all the SIghs have it, a guy I work with, has an 07, and guess what, 2nd gear is picky as shit. Wanna know what Honda told him, it's supposed to be like that... It's not even an SI, just a DX.

Suspension Better?? Hahahahaha... Top brace, bottom brace, back bracing, drop it into the weeds....

Braking... Well it needs bigger brakes to deal with the extra weight... Also well maintained brakes will out stop neglected brakes, and most people I notice seem to go for brake upgrade rather than repair then notice "huge performance gains". Not that I am writing off big brake kits, bigger brakes will stop heavier/faster loads, than smaller brakes.

I do enjoy disliking Shivics... 8)


I was joking. I see people on this site talking about honda engine swaps and honda brake swaps and wonder why they don't just start out with a honda. I think if they started with a honda, they could put corvette drive train and suspension in it, then they would have a real car.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:34 pm 
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top down@-40 wrote:
I was joking. I see people on this site talking about honda engine swaps and honda brake swaps and wonder why they don't just start out with a honda. I think if they started with a honda, they could put corvette drive train and suspension in it, then they would have a real car.


I know you were, but it was just in case some new guy stumbled onto this post. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:56 pm 
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geopat wrote:
i was running front calipers off of a 88 crx si with 4 wheel brakes, get the loaded calipers that come with the bracket, go to your local hardware store and get some shims that fit the hub to caliper bolts, the caliper needs to be shimed out a bit to center it over the rotor, i also got longer mounting bolts.
stock brake lines fit the caliper, use the honda brake pads and the swift gt rotor.



Does anybody have anything to add to this? I bought remanned calipers for an 89 CRX Si, have had the pads and swift rotors kicking around for a long time. Track day August 30th, on brand new r-compounds :D I need these calipers so I can clear the custom 13" steelies Jeff and I had made, so I hope it ends up being relatively straight forward tomorrow morning :x

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:00 am 
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I bought PFC PADS, honda crx si caliper & reysbestos steel rotors!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:28 pm 
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anybody have a site that I can order 12mm x 1.25pitch x 27mm bolt for the mount?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:00 am 
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I'm wondering about the mounting bracket... if you get the calipers at the autoparts store, does it come with them? Or is it even needed?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:16 am 
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Tony_SS wrote:
I'm wondering about the mounting bracket... if you get the calipers at the autoparts store, does it come with them? Or is it even needed?


caliper and mounting bracket usually sold separately. and yes you will need the mounting bracket as well.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Any detailed pics of the conversion?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:08 am 
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this topic needs pictures or photos desperately!!......can i do this conversion to my 1985 mk1???? thanks everyone

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:54 pm 
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Some comparison pictures...

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On the left, swift gti caliper, on the right crx caliper...

...haven't assembled it yet... soon I hope...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:40 am 
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Hi, I'm a little bit confused.

I probably found a pair of calipers from a '90 CRX VT; are they good as a direct replacement upgrade?

I looked onto catalogues and I found that these calipers shoud mount on every CRX model, but their part numbers are different from Concerto Calipers, that I know are good...

Thank you very much!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:24 pm 
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Since this started a long time ago and there aren't any pictures of the caliper swap on the car anymore, this is what it looks like (I think, I am posting as much for feedback as anything else):

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Right now this is just a test fitment to make sure I have the right spacers and get the right length bolts (note the original caliper still dangling from the strut...). I put two 1/2" (hole not width) stainless washers in to shim ~ .10" as can be seen in this photo. Which means I should need about a 28 mm M12 bolt (original is 25mm) to engage all the threads. I notice that this caliper and bracket do not look the same as the picture further up on the page--the bracket is open on the outside rather than connecting across. Did I get the right one? Bracket came from a junker CRX, but no way to know if it was an Si model, rebuilt calipers came from Autozone.

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Bolt spacing is obviously the same, but I might have to wait till my pads get in to know for sure whether the bracket is correct.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:18 am 
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Edit:

I wrote a post asking about caliper orientation because I remembered (incorrectly) pulling the brackets from the rear of the disc on the CRX at the yard, so I was wondering whether it was more important for them to be on the same side as the donor or right side up. Some Googling of images of 1988 CRX Si's cleared this up--they are on the front just like the Swift, so no need swap sides or be concerned about it.

Seeing as this post is stuck out here anyway, however, I'll follow up with pictures of the finished job. I can confirm that these are the "correct" 1988 CRX Si (regardless of what other myriad Hondas they might also fit) calipers that Murr suggested swapping in the first place and that everything works exactly as described.

Here are the calipers, complete with EBC Greenstuff pads, on Brembo blank replacement rotors:

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Here's a shot of the 1/2" stainless washers you need to shim everything out. Notice how tight the clearances are! I can't believe this actually works as everything is within a mm or so.

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Finally, here's everything all together with new stainless brake lines. I also relocated the bracket slightly upwards and forwards because I was having a problem with tire rubbing (!) on the lines at full steering lock after installing caster bushings. Hopefully I've solved that problem, improved my brakes slightly, and increased wheel clearance enough to fit the 13" racing wheels I am hoping to pick up shortly.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:49 am 
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One final tidbit to add:

I read the horror story about pulling the stock bolt out with the last four threads of the bracket still attached, so I did get some longer bolts (not shown in my pictures). They might be very hard to find in a suitable grade (U.S. hardware stores have extremely lame selections of metric fasteners).

I picked up some bolts, 12mm-1.25 X 30 10.9 HEX CS (full thread) from http://www.allensfasteners.com. These have a larger 19mm head, but otherwise fit no problem. In fact, I was concerned that I would have to cut or grind them down a little because it seems that nobody makes a 28mm bolt. Instead the bolt was still a tiny bit (less than 0.5mm) shy of contacting all the threads in the bracket with a lock washer in place. I think that's reasonable but if you really want an exact fit you might get a bolt that is longer still and cut it down or use and extra washer on the other side.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:53 pm 
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I just did this upgrade. I picked up some brackets off ebay and some reman calipers from O'Reilly's. Put that with some new hawk ceramic performance pads and drilled/slotted rotors. I have to say it was a huge improvement. Although it could just be that my brakes were in dire need of replacing and now they are working properly. :D But seriously this is a really nice upgrade.

Now a little eye candy. This is the picture that made me realize just how much of a difference this upgrade makes. The Honda pads dwarf the Suzuki pads.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:45 am 
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just bought a set of civic crx ivt brakes, they fit the swift, just checked and it´s fine :D :D :D
not installed yet, but soon =) =) =)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:38 am 
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will this work on a 1992 metro virt

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