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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:37 pm 
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My Lifters only tick AFTER the engine is all warmed up and I shut it off, even for minute and start it up again there is minor ticking, which goes away with a little throttle. If i have the engine off for 3-10mins there's a huge amount of ticking, and once I drive it eventually goes away. But if I let it sit over night and go to start it up, little or no ticking.
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This is a freshly rebuilt block with 75mm 13:1 CR pistons.
The head has 2000kms on it and has 222/365 cams and all new lifters.
I am breaking in the engine and only have 160kms on this new block that I put on in the last 2 days
I have been wondering about oil pressure issues, but why does this only happen after I shut the car down and start it back up?
The oil in the car is conventional mobil 10w30 I'm using for the break in. I put the engine in the car and got it running in October with the same oil that in it now, I figured it should be fine, I ran the car a couple of times once I got the engine in but didn't drive it till 2 days ago.

If it was the oil they would tick all the time or once it was being beat on. Oil level is good, a little above full line if anything.

I don't fully understand hydraulic lifters yet so I don't know why shutting the engine off and re starting it would cause this...and remember if I let it sit cold over night and fire it up there is no ticking.

After I break the engine in I will put in synthetic oil.

Anyone have a similar issue?

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:05 am 
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same issue here, changed lifter for "good known" and problem persist, oil pressure problem i presume
do you have an oil pressure gauge on your car?
mine doesnt, dont know the condition in the engine, never opened it, but aftermarkets gasket made me tough someone did it in the past
one thing i know is when you rebuilt an engine with non-suzuki main bearings rods bearing, clearance with plastigauge can be within specifications but on the loose side, on the car there is not enough oil pressure

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:57 am 
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I have also heard that using non Suzuki bearings will create a pressure problem, I bought a gauge last night and didn't have time to hook it up.
I'm guessing that when I turn the engine off hot, the lifters all bleed out. But why once everything is cold overnight does it not tick?
ATM, I have the hose coming from my valve cover going to nothing, it was used with my old block to go to a oil catch can, but now with the new block it is sucking in air. Maybe related?

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 1:26 pm 
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All the bottom end clearances were right in the middle of the spec.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:26 pm 
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suprf1y wrote:
All the bottom end clearances were right in the middle of the spec.


Sweet,that is good news...I guess we will see what the oil gauge reads and I'll report back

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:36 pm 
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beached wrote:

I don't fully understand hydraulic lifters yet so I don't know why shutting the engine off and re starting it would cause this...and remember if I let it sit cold over night and fire it up there is no ticking.

After I break the engine in I will put in synthetic oil.

Anyone have a similar issue?

Cheers

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GTI.?
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The lifter have a little plunger a spring (two springs)
and a chrome ball inside that acts like a check valve when the engine shuts down the spring holds the ball against the hole
to keep the oil in (lifter charged) if you will
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I would be curious if they still make noise after the Synthetic change over.
That stuff is slick even the blends work well
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I have had Brand new out of the box Lifters make noise
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:46 pm 
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Mine will tick slightly when hot but only when I've been pulling really extreme Hoosier related G forces and high rpms.

If I keep the engine running after an autox run like that it goes away quickly. If I shut it down too quick when it's hot without a chance to cool or run more oil up to the top, the ticking resumes worse (or begins) when I start it back up. Never happens otherwise unless it sits for a month or more.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:50 pm 
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I got the gauge installed
My psi readings are as follows:

Cold start idle - 70psi
Once warm idle 1000rpm - 12 psi
Cruising at 3500rpm - around 40
In town creeping along - around 20

I think my aggressive cams are the reason my idle psi is low

I changed the oil to some fresh 10w30...still some.lifter noise but not as bad, sounds like one lifter.
Once I finish breaking in the engine maybe synthetic will help.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:12 pm 
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Try some 15/40 Rotella

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 9:51 pm 
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I can't wait to try some of that rotella

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:13 pm 
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going to be putting in some 5w40 rotella t6 synthetic, we'll see how that goes

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:41 am 
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Funny you mention this, I noticed my Gt did the exact same thing to me a week ago . I shut it off and checked the oil, the level was fine , started it back up and the tap went away. I doubt its any real cause for concern . Has anyone been running rotella 15 40 ? I would think that's too thick .

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:55 am 
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Hi beached
Any update?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:59 am 
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The problem has seemed to work itself out

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