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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:25 pm 
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I made sure the bolt threads in deeper than i am removing.
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Tools i used. Hacksaw works well on soft Aluminium. Air powered die grinder throws stuff around so wear eye protection. Cover the holes with tape so debris wont get inside.
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Here are the spacer washers. to match the original Alt.
I had to grind 1/16 off the entire bracket bottom.
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Got a longer bolt.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:03 pm 
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xrw44??IN the pic with the bracket bolted to the alternator I'm confused about the bracket what is it?


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:19 pm 
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here's some GM car info if you need/want a 100A Alt from the 80s. like a 1 grove pulley.
http://www.knappsautoelectric.com/delco ... sCS130.htm

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:25 pm 
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xrw44??IN the pic with the bracket bolted to the alternator I'm confused about the bracket what is it?

thats the top bracket from the GT.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:30 pm 
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why not go 200AMP =)
$189 + 18 ship from East TN. 79 to Canada w/DHL 2 day

189 is good for brand new -- not the 140 for rebuilt who knows what.

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it is clocked right for us.

Brand New Alternator - Delco CS130 Series
200+ Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley

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Replaces these part numbers:
Delco 1101642, 10480035


Sold outright with no core charge! This Beefy Alternator is what you need for high amp stereo systems or for extra reserve when you need it. Output at idle = 105 amps.

Maximum output of 200+ amps is achieved at 1200 engine rpm.

For safety, you must your main charging wire to a 4 gauge cable to allow maximum charging current.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:40 pm 
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xrw44 wrote:
geofarace wrote:
xrw44??IN the pic with the bracket bolted to the alternator I'm confused about the bracket what is it?

thats the top bracket from the GT.

Well dang I had No clue the brackets were differnet on GT's compared to the metros??? SOB! :twisted:


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:52 pm 
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xrw44 you got it!

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:24 pm 
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geofarace wrote:
xrw44 wrote:
geofarace wrote:
xrw44??IN the pic with the bracket bolted to the alternator I'm confused about the bracket what is it?

thats the top bracket from the GT.

Well dang I had No clue the brackets were differnet on GT's compared to the metros??? SOB! :twisted:

we should be more specific.
that is off a 99 metro and is the same as my 94GT
what yr is yours?
i will look at my 91 Fri,
is yours like this? (i dont know where it came from. it will NOT work for my GT. might work on early Metro.)


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:38 pm 
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geofarace wrote:
No clue the brackets were differnet on GT's compared to the metros??? SOB! :twisted:


Sob not patawan. :alien:
If my approach works it means all Swifters can hold their heads high and have 105 Amps to play with and they can use their original upper and lower mounts. The only mod to the mounts so far is to grind 1/16 off the lower edge.

My mods to the GM alt are cutting away at top and bottom.

If the GM connector is added beside the Suzu then we can use either alt.

Caution: before doing this give me some time to see if it tears up!

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:38 am 
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Well yea mine on both the 89/93 metros look like that but itsnt the botom brackets at least the same?? :huh:


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:02 am 
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i dont know.
i have seen this one on 95 and 99 metro 1.3 and 94 GT
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BUT DOES IT MATTER what Suzu mount you have?
Answer is NO.

The GM and Denso alts are so close that whatever mount is there, if you remove the Denso and modify the GM it will fit. the only Suzu mods are the wiring connector and grind 1/16 off the bottom edge of the top mount. And add the spacer/washer as i showed above.

Stay tuned. I will install this weekend. :alien:

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:26 am 
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:shock: :wink: Cant wait To see the results !! by the way are you putting in a banging system later or just want my power overall?


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:28 pm 
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geofarace wrote:
by the way are you putting in a banging system

I am a banging system :lol:

the battery is not charging and my Denso checked out ok at 3 stores. tried 2 batteries that work fine in other car. bypassed old wiring. no improvement. light stays on and V goes down.

SO F IT. :evil:
Time for another Alt. :roll:
why pay $18 or $140 for 55A Denso when I can have 105A GM :!:
and it will make 50+A at idle. Might be hard on a 3cyl but the DOHC will be fine.
the fact that this is taking days to figure out seems unimportant. :lol:

and that is why. :alien:

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:45 pm 
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((QUOTE xrw44 WROTE)) the battery is not charging and my Denso checked out ok at 3 stores. tried 2 batteries that work fine in other car. bypassed old wiring. no improvement. light stays on and V goes down. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well that stuff just gave me problems also just a few weeks ago exept my light worked fine..My car would run a few days then just the battery couldnt crank the car? so far I done the (BIG3) and I put the alternator from my 93 metro and I cut the door swicth wires (cause they have gave problems) and I've been driver for 3weeks with NO problems! :huh:


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:03 pm 
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worked on it 8 hrs.
top tired to talk much.
finished the mods on the GM
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did a mockup for you guys
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and then installed the GM plug.
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and soldered GM wires on. Now it has both connectors.
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got throttle body out of the way and it went in easy.
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the vanes rubbed on the water pump pulley so i removed 1/4"
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and the 5 rib pulley rubs the frame so i am installing the Denso pulley after enlarging its hole.
:idea: or can i cut two ribs off the GM ?
:alien:

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:08 pm 
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geofarace wrote:
Well that stuff just gave me problems also just a few weeks ago exept my light worked fine..My car would run a few days then just the battery couldnt crank the car? so far I done the (BIG3) and I put the alternator from my 93 metro and I cut the door swicth wires (cause they have gave problems) and I've been driver for 3weeks with NO problems! :huh:

it could be the door switches !
thanks.
but a good alt should keep up with them on a test drive. actually charge the battery. instead i see a 0.5V drop after driving 10 min.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:19 pm 
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Wow XRW44 somebody got to do it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:59 pm 
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Well dang I guess I'm gonna have to do some work for the metro guys here cause I was all happy abou the work ya'll are doing untill I figured out the brackets are different :evil: S.O.B! I think it was (mattdodd1988sprint) who made a cutlass cialis??(I cant spell it) :oops: fit and it looks extremly close to the METRO's so maybe I can go to the pullapart and get one and try it...Thanks here are some pics


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:34 pm 
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Yup, Cutlass Calais, Grand Am, just about any of the late '80s and early '90s GM FWD with the 2.5l. Those pics don't seem right. The Autozone part number is 1346-4-3. It has the same hole to hole measurement as the stock alternator. You will have to make your bottom bracket look like the one pictured. I purchased a bracket from ebay that was for a Samurai, but it was too long and I ended up making it look like the one in the picture. I did my work on a Mk1, but there is more room in the Mk2+ Metros. As for the wiring, i didn't cut anything, but I made the GM harness plug into the original plug with spade connectors and a healthy dose of electrical tape.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:16 am 
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by the way this is how to solder wires:
http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/solder/index.htm

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:39 am 
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mattdodd1988sprint wrote:
Yup, Cutlass Calais, Grand Am, just about any of the late '80s and early '90s GM FWD with the 2.5l.

You can use what you want but they are not all the same output.
for example: 1989 Calais 2.5L
BECK/ARNLEY Part # 1866075 74 A
REMY Part # 20393 74 Amps
CARDONE SELECT Part # 377801N3 105 Amp Replaces Original 74, 75, 85, 100 or 105 Amps
http://www.rockauto.com has this info and PICTURES !
They all look like the ones I got from the 92 Grand Am.
EXCEPT the 1991 Alt I looked at was wired differently ! The plug was the same! But near the bottom.

If you go for the 6 (NOT4) cylinder 92-93 cars i listed above you will have 105A. In 1994+ they are not 180 degree mounts.

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got 61 mpg combined on 14" tires but i prefer 12"

completed frame up restoration: black 1994 Swift GT 5sp -- like new ! 45mpg


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:30 am 
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geofarace wrote:
Well dang I guess I'm gonna have to do some work for the metro guys here cause I was all happy abou the work ya'll are doing untill I figured out the brackets are different :evil: S.O.B! I think it was (mattdodd1988sprint) who made a cutlass cialis??(I cant spell it) :oops: fit and it looks extremly close to the METRO's so maybe I can go to the pullapart and get one and try it...Thanks here are some pics


Matt has a Mk1 SPRINT.
You have a Mk2 metro?
I have compared (not measured) my Mk2 Metro alt on the car with the M3 GT alt in my hand. They are very very very similar.
They are rated dif and have dif part#.

:oops: previously i should have said
DOES IT MATTER what Suzu OR METRO mount you have?
Answer is LIKELY NO.

The GM alt is so close that whatever mount is there will work. if you modify the GM it will fit.
If you sell the car later and want the GM for your next car, snip off the connector and install the stk ALT. I would not modify the GM Alt, if it had to be replaced every few months -- I'd make custom lower and upper brackets. But these Alts last for 10-20 yrs.

the only mods to the car are:
1. the wiring connector
2. grind 1/16 off the bottom edge of the top mount.

All the GM alts above are the same layout, same size, same damn fins.
But they can have dif Amps. see my last post.

To SAVE YOUR time:
1. Use your mounts
2. Use a 105Amp from 6 (NOT4) cylinder 92-93 cars i listed above. In 1994+ they are not 180 degree mounts.
NOT 85-91, NOT Trans Am, NOT Regal, ...

CAUTION: i got the 11 o'clock orientation of connector.
there is a 7 o'clock available -- it is harder to reach the connector.

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daily driver: red 1991 Metro 3cyl 5sp, roof rack, 8 degree advance,
got 61 mpg combined on 14" tires but i prefer 12"

completed frame up restoration: black 1994 Swift GT 5sp -- like new ! 45mpg


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:49 am 
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mijerseyswift wrote:
Wow XRW44 somebody got to do it.

:lol:
hey how did you deal with the fins and pump pulley?
image_id: 16686

tech friend tells me to keep it on to handle the heat.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:55 am 
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Man I bet those fins will cut something now ?? =) ok thanks I will see what I come up with..


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:28 pm 
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IT IS ALIVE !

putting out 14.7V

So the let the torture testing begin. :lol:

details in a moment... downloading pics.

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