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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:33 am 
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Would a G13B (Swift) head fit onto a G16B (Baleno) cylinder block?

Would the water jackets & valve to piston seatings match?



My idea is to do head grooving

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:10 pm 
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It fits very well but it goes up to 6500 rpm.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:54 am 
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You mean after 6500 rpm the engine stops revving?

Would it create too much compression as to cause detonation ?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:34 pm 
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penjoseph wrote:
You mean after 6500 rpm the engine stops revving?

Would it create too much compression as to cause detonation ?


I think what he meant to say was that u should only rev to 6500rpms & no more, otherwise u may end up with a damaged block.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:30 am 
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thats just a myth...higher RPMs require work done to the lower block...like balancing and lightening the bottom end....my crank is knife edged and balanced @ 10,000RPMs with the flywheel and crank pulley but i'll cap the RPMs @ 7500...


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:22 am 
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I am going in for the same G13b head on a Baleno Block
Can any one say what would be the power I can look for.
Is the head of the G13b and the G16b also the same? I am not a technical person so I am asking

Someone told me that:
Original G13B which is Head + Block = 100bhp
but G13B Head + Baleno Block = approx 120+bhp

Is this true?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:50 am 
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@penjoseph...:

G13B head fits G16A and G16B block..

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Would the water jackets & valve to piston seatings match?

From answer above, I would say it both matches... :)

l_tejash wrote:
Is the head of the G13b and the G16b also the same?


Nope...
G13 is twin cam 16 valve and G16 is single cam but 16 valve...
Also, G13B uses hydro-lifters and G16 uses rocker arms...

l_tejash wrote:
but G13B Head + Baleno Block = approx 120+bhp

Is this true?


I didn't see some dyno charts with (and only) G16B/A + G13B head conversion, but I would say 120 hp is approximately correct number of hp gain...

But for example, my friend has this conversion + 20% stronger injectors (I think) + head ported & polished + re-maped ECU + fuel pressure regulator + K&N filter in a stock box and maybe some other upgrades and he says that it develops from 135-145 hp...
He didin't dynoed it cause his swift is hammered to the floor so he cannot "climb" :lol: on a rollers...

And for the end... This swift I'm talking about is going to be MINE, ALL MINE.................. :D :D :D
This month I'm going to buy it from him, I hope... :drunk:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:25 am 
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thats good news for you mate, so you ca do some dyno and post up the charts for us :D

we are looking forward to see the beast :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:08 pm 
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A local guy with this combo is making approximately 130hp atw from this combo - he is running cams and a few other goodies but nothing too major.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:59 am 
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My car will still take time.
I will get my cr in hand by next week probably and then later on the list is Head/Port Polishing and may be high lift cams and Standalone ECU.
I will post the Dyno results soon after all this is done. I guess not before Feb


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:43 pm 
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guys i would advise you all to custom a thinner head gasket or mill the head off my quite abit cos if you'er using a stock head with the standard vitara pistons and gasket...the compression would be only like 8.5:1 :shock: due toe the dished vitara pistons....either that,the honda D16ZC pistons would be the best solution but u'll need to custom a thicker (2mm) gasket with a bigger radiator(strongly reccomended) as compression would be like 12+:1 hope this helps guys....


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:57 am 
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I checked both the heads Swift 1.3 & Baleno 1.6 G Engines

Heads can be interchanged - both SOHC 16v same design. This is the India version (made/assembled by Maruti Suzuki) using distributor-less wasted spark double coil ignition system

Combustion chamber bigger for Swift 1.3 than the Baleno 1.6. Quench pads are smaller for the 1.3 head.

The correct Swift 1.3L engine code is G13BB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_G_engine

This implies that compression would drop if the head is changed in a 1.6 Baleno to a 1.3 head.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:05 am 
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Did international Baleno heads have quench pads? The photo I saw of an Australian Baleno didn't have any

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:06 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:05 pm 
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4 banger wrote:
guys i would advise you all to custom a thinner head gasket or mill the head off my quite abit cos if you'er using a stock head with the standard vitara pistons and gasket...the compression would be only like 8.5:1 :shock: due toe the dished vitara pistons....either that,the honda D16ZC pistons would be the best solution but u'll need to custom a thicker (2mm) gasket with a bigger radiator(strongly reccomended) as compression would be like 12+:1 hope this helps guys....


Hi 4banger can i know what rods are you using in your setup, and also about that pistons, i don't get them here in Europe but i want some cr as that around 10 or 11 what honda pistons should i chose? would the D16Y8 pistons match?Thx a lot


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:36 pm 
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penjoseph wrote:
I checked both the heads Swift 1.3 & Baleno 1.6 G Engines

Heads can be interchanged - both SOHC 16v same design. This is the India version (made/assembled by Maruti Suzuki) using distributor-less wasted spark double coil ignition system

Combustion chamber bigger for Swift 1.3 than the Baleno 1.6. Quench pads are smaller for the 1.3 head.

The correct Swift 1.3L engine code is G13BB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_G_engine

This implies that compression would drop if the head is changed in a 1.6 Baleno to a 1.3 head.


so you can turbo it safe ?

Can you use your stock ECM and EFI with such a swap, or does it involve a tune or remapping, or even harness and ECM transplant ?

BTW, I have a 1994 Vitara (aka Sidekick) AT with the G16B EFI engine...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:10 pm 
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Hi, the best choice for that convertion is to use the G15 block because it is much stronger than the G16 and has a shorter stroke (84.5 vs 90), it can rev up to 9k without issues and best of all it is a close deck design so boost is welcomed up to 250hp at least.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:11 am 
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G15B wrote:
Hi, the best choice for that convertion is to use the G15 block because it is much stronger than the G16 and has a shorter stroke (84.5 vs 90), it can rev up to 9k without issues and best of all it is a close deck design so boost is welcomed up to 250hp at least.

Yes, but find a G15 in some countries (like here) it´s almost impossible...


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