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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:12 pm 
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I have a 2000 Chevy Metro 3cyl 1.0L, 5-Speed. I just got done spending $720 having a new clutch-pack and new half shafts installed. The boots on my CV joint had split open. The should said that the strange noise that sounds like a loud skateboard bearing with sand in it. Ok long story short.

Will a Transmission from a:

1991 Geo Metro 3cyl 1.0L, 5-Speed

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2000 Chevy Metro 3cyl 1.0L, 5-Speed

Now understand I have contacted both Autozone and a Chevy Dealership, they both tell me no. Hears the only reason I'm here, the guy whos selling the transmission is offering to install it for cheap, and swears that it look like it would fit.

So what I need is really world experience. Did they really change the tranny on this thing, or did they just change the part number?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:05 pm 
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they should be identical, the final drive is different, yours would be a 4.39 the 91 would be a 3.60ish final, so you might fined it to be a bit more slugish on takeoff but rev lower on the highway.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Good stuff!
1.> So any chance you know what each gear ratio is 91 vs 00?

Let me explain, this car is used for delivering pizza, 95% of time spent between 0-45.

2.> So if its gonna take off slower, will this really be noticeable? I really don't understand gear ratios that well.

3.> My step-dad wanted me to ask, he's help me, does the difference in final drive ratio mean that my speedometer will be off?

4.> If the speedometer will be off do I just need to swap the gear off the end of the speedometer cable? Or do I need the cluster of the 91?

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So info I have found:
http://metroxfi.com/2008/04/metro-trans ... formation/

Ratio # of teeth on crown wheel
3.52:1 74
3.79:1 72
3.95:1 77
4.10:1 78
4.39:1 79

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:43 am 
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The 91 will have a 4.1 and the 00 will have a 4.389, there's not much difference, you might see a slight improvement in fuel economy, speedo drive is based on wheel size so should be the same,

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:31 am 
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It will bolt in no-hassle and really you won't likely even notice the gear ratio difference driving the car. It will still pick up fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:39 pm 
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Your 2000 will have a vehicle speed sensor VSS that will be different or absent on your older gearbox. If you don't mind tolerating a constant code for that sensor no functioning, then it might work. ...I use a 1988 gearbox with a 1999 electrical sytem...and i just put up with the code. ...as well as the one that always reads "MAP sensor value too high" :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 pm 
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the newer one is probably less abused too

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:14 pm 
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Yeah the 91 tranny only has 41k, and mine has 168k.

Lack of VSS, Is that going to effect anything?

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And no it causeing my "Check Engine Soon" light won't be a bother since i also have a "Catalytic Converter inefficiency" code that's constantly there.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:20 pm 
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vss is in the gauge cluster on the 5 speed cars (iirc), just make sure you use the speedo cable gear from the 2000's tranny (held in by a 10 mm bolt) or your speedo will be off

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:40 am 
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Well I've decided to do it. Just bought it, will attempting the install myself next Monday. Will report back in, for closure, with results.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:42 pm 
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Ok so a few things.

a. The transmission fit...

-Everything git, no problems.

-If you gonna try and replace the transmission half-shaft seals, DO NOT GO TO autozone, the part the have is "best fit" and its of by like 1mm.

- The half-shaft seals off the 2000 metro trannsmission, DID fit on the old 91 transmission.

-Metro's are light and have a hard time just jacking up the lowwer control arm and hoping the ball joint would just pop in. Instead we had to jack it up ( you must remove the bolt, it won't go in without the bolt removed), place a screwdriver in the slit to open it a little and then have my 300lb step-father bounce on the strut.

Other then those notes, it fit, no extra "vss" I have no idea what that means, but the only thing that was a sensor on both the 91 and the 00 was the reverse switch.

Oh and shift linkage is the most annoying part the take off.

More tomorrow when I get it all back together and test drive it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:57 pm 
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Ok final update for this thread.

Update:

-Finished Install.
-One minor diff between 91 and 00 trany is that:
-91 has a metal throughout bearing engagement arm, 00 has a cast iron arm.
- 91 has a lift bolt that is a bolted on behind the grounding strap, on the 00 the lift point is part of the clutch cable sheath retaining plate.

-The difference in FD ratio barely noticeable. All I know is its quieter then my old tranny ever was, which tells me the old trany was always bad.

I thank all of you who contributed to the thread, and if your near toledo and need a hand, drop me a line.

Case Closed

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:22 pm 
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Excellent results, thanks for updating!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:31 am 
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you wil lhave a slight difference with the speedo reading. the 91 has a speedo gear for 12" tires, the 2000 has the same tire diameter as a GTi. you just need to swap the gear on top of the transmission where the cable is tied to it, held by a 10mm bolt.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:00 am 
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Good Morning all!!! I am new to the forums, and I found Doctor Bills Overhaul on a manual trans forum through a google search, Thank you very much Doctor Bill. Now to my question, I have a 97 1.3l Metro, I just bought it and it runs good, but the trans is noisier than all hell, and slips out of 2nd gear. I intend to rebuild it (fyi, if anyone has a Nissan I am/was a Nissan Master Tech back in 2006, and open for any help you need), I wanted to get a tranny from a junkyard to rebuild out of car, then drop it in. All I could find is a manula trans from a 1993 1.0l 5 speed. I was wondering if these 2 are interchangeable, the gentleman at the Junkyard did inform me that the Final Drive Ratio is different, not a big deal from what I have read in this thread, but I was going to check with the "experts" on here before I spent the money. I would appreciate your response, and I thank you in advance!


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:31 pm 
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Does anyone know if an auto trans from a 97 4cyl will fit a 94 3 cyl?

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