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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:02 pm 
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bostssgt wrote:
g16 swift, and j18 esteem/baleno and aerio j20 j23 boxes are sharing same bolt pattern
i have one j18 and one j20 box for parts and the housings are the same



thanks. now i have another option when i blow up this esteem 1.6 trans. i would love to do the swift cable shift trans but theyre made of unobtanium down here.

just gotta figure out the rest of it....(clutch, axles, etc)



you can use a j serie trans, make a offset clutch lever and stay with cable clutch, axles from ebay or a part supplier same for shift cable... maybe an online scrapyard from canada or even fit a cable shifter from any other car with simillar lenght

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:06 pm 
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G-sus wrote:
Well now I'm certainly keeping hold of my g16 tranny, it's cable shift and 4wd :mrgreen:
So the swift 1.6 transmission is stronger than the baleno/esteem 1.6, right? What about the baleno/esteem 1.6 4wd box? I could get a hold if it easier than a j18/j20.

cable shifter=strong
rod shift=weak
should be the same box except for ratio

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:33 pm 
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Ive been tellin everyone for years to use the 1.8 esteem box. I kept the cable clutch setup. I didn't like the feel of the hydraulic setup. Was very easy to mod to keep cable clutch. If you get a 1.6 esteem manual trans rear water pipe you can mod if to fit way nicer. Ill see if I got a old pic around from my old car 7 years ago.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:37 am 
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Greetings,
I have an AWD trans on the way, below is the pic. This trans came out of a 1992 Suzuki Swift 1.6 AWD sedan.

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I have read & re-read your awesome article about the trans swap you did. But one thing that was not quite clear: Did you use the 1.6 AWD cable shift trans, like the one I have? OR did you use a newer trans, like a J18 trans?

You show the pic of the Cusco LSD Diff. My question is: Will a LSD diff for a newer Swift work in this trans? You mentioned you used the Swift Sport gear set. That leads me to believe a LSD Diff for a newer Swift will work? Is the main consideration the speedo drive gear? Please look at this LSD Diff

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http://www.imageinmotion.com/MFACTORY126-MF-TRS-05SZ.htm

Last three questions:

If I swap out the 1.3 for a 1.6 block, and I use the cable clutch, will I be able avoid most of the custom fabrication you did? I do understand that I will have to convert the trans from an AWD to FWD.

Is there such a thing as a large frame / cable shift trans that is a FWD, not a AWD? It would be nice to get the large frame / cable shift in a FWD version, eliminating the need for the AWD to FWD conversion.

I know the 1.3 flywheel is significantly different than the 1.6 flywheel, but can the 1.3 clutch be used? Or is the input spline different on the input shaft?

Thanks, Shimaze

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:53 am 
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hi shimaze
i use a swift 1.6 fwd transmission with swift sport 2007+ gearset in it
it's very similar to a esteem box or aerio j series FWD box (minor casting difference)
you cant use your 1.3 clutch flywheel without modification of ring gear/starter bolting and clutch spline (1.3 not the same as 1.6) also offset of flywheel is different
i don't know if a fwd 1.6 flywheel would work, maybe !?!

you need an lsd for a AWD transmission
yes you can put swift sport gearset in your box exept the differential

you can source cable shifter from a fwd swift 1.6 an maybe you can make your way with a esteem cable shift setup with minor modifications...

i you swap for the g16a it will be easyer to bolt block/trans you will eliminate the need to weld the transmission case and eliminate the need of custom mid-axle (maybe you need the awd one?!?)

try to post these question on redlinegti.com
they are swapping more awd box than me!! :lol:

i hope this help

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:16 am 
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Where did you get you large frame Swift 1.6 cable shift FWD trans? Are they more hard to come by than the AWD? If they are same gear set / strength (70mm), then there seems to be no advantage to the AWD box and the FWD box would be easier because there would be no AWD to FWD conversion necessary?

I now understand that I can not use the LSD Diff from a 2007+ because I have the AWD trans, but where you able to use the LSD Diff from a 2007+ Swift in your FWD box?

If not, will the same exact LSD Diff you have pictured in the thread work in the AWD box?

As for the clutch, I am going to have to use everything for the 1.6 AWD

Also, I think the cable shifter is the same for both the FWD & the AWD?

Thanks for your reply, Shimaze

PS> You are right, I will post on the RedlineGTi site because they do a lot of AWD swaps

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:51 pm 
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in canada swift sedan were available from 91- 92-93 dont know exact years
my lsd wont fit in a awd trans you need a awd lsd..

cable shift from canadian 1,6 swift is bolt on the inside of a 89-94 swift

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:54 pm 
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llook for a donor car in canada it will be less expensive

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cusco 1way LSD


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:53 pm 
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Hi there,

I saw your post on redlinegti, and red your post here as well.You have an awd box on it's way and according to the pic,there's a shifter linkage cables with it.On redline you post that you are looking for ''a G16 large frame cable shift transmission from a 1600 Swift sedan''. What exaclty are you looking for? The shifter cables you are getting with the awd box are the same as the 1.6 swift sedan.
Here in Canada we got few 1.6 sedan's but the esteem 1.6 uses the same shifter cables as the 1.6 swift.I know a junkyard where they have lots of esteem cars...I mean,last time I went there (september)...so don't know now but if you really need those shifter cables,I can check them out for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Thanks for the reply and please check the junkyard for me! I have decided against buying the AWD trans as per recommendation based upon the lack of an available LSD. What I am looking for is a cable shift FWD trans from a Swift sedan. The special thing with the cable shift is that it is a way to identify the heavy duty trans. If it is a rod shift, then it is a normal , light duty trans. Of the few Esteems in the US, they are all rod shift. I think Canada got the 1.6 Swift sedan that had the heavy duty trans (again identified by the cable shift). I also believe the Canada Esteems are no better than the US because all Canadian Esteems are rod shift? But I could be wrong?

***If you find one (or anyone else) I will give you $800 USD for the whole kit!***

If anyone finds a 1.6 Swift cable shift trans, email me at: shimaze@cinci.rr.com

Thanks, Shimaze

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:36 pm 
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esteem with 1.8 engine (wagons in canada) are cable shift
1.6 is rod

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cusco 1way LSD


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:38 am 
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Will a rod shifted tranny put up with a j20 if treated nicely? I am looking at the horsepower ratings of the j18 and the j20-j23 Aerio engines. I commute in this car and occasionally run across a Miata or Civic that wabt to play. My 70 hp is not up to the challenge. :(
Maybe this will be a bigger swap with a complete running gear swap from a late Aerio j23-155 hp into a 93 Swift that is sitting in the driveway. :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:12 am 
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Probably not.

I can say with my 1.6 I haven't had any trouble with average sohc civics. Turbo is another story. Just today on my way home I embarrassed an EF hatch with a couple hundred lbs of tools and parts in my car.

I came across a j18 aerio in the yard a few weeks ago and it crossed my mind to pick up the motor set....then I thought if I'm going to go thru that much custom work might as well use an sr20ve

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:26 pm 
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Hello! I am sure this has been answered already, but I would like to ask a question or two!
First of all, amazing thread and great pictures! I love it!

So I have a 1998 Suzuki Esteem (North America) it's 1.6L and it's manual.. My transmission went out, and it's been impossible to find a replacement! I saw that the G16 and the J18 share the same bolt pattern, but I am sure the tranny boxes are a different size correct? I also know that the 1.6 is a cable clutch and the 1.8 is a hydraulic clutch, I want to know if it's possible for me to get a 1.8 tranny and put it on my 1.6L, I know I will have to change axles, clutch and shifter, but I am willing to do it! Would it give my car a better feel with a 1.8 tranny? Run better? I know I am late to the party here lol

So to some it up would a 1.8L Esteem/Baleno tranny fit a 1.6L Esteem/Baleno motor since they share the same bolt patterns!

I am sure it's a stupid question seeing that the tittle says 1.6 Tranny in a Swift.. Is the transmission used on the finished car 1.6 or 1.8.. And the motor is it 1.6 or 1.8?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:38 pm 
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you can swap the 1.8 transmission to your esteem if you also swap axles/clutch, cable shift setup, you can fit a cable clutch on the 1.8 box or you can also swap hydraulic clutch setup

the g16b and the j serie share the same bolt pattern

other thing you can do i think is to find a 1.3 transmission and swap your 1.6 esteem bellhousing on it to fit your engine... if i remember correctly, the 1.6 esteem gearbox is a 1.3 gearbox whit housing to fit the g16 (reason why they are cable clutch rod shifter like a swift)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:39 pm 
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and title should say esteem 1.8/aerio/swift 1.6 sorry :lol:

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td05h-16g @ 18 psi
SRP forged civic piston
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cusco 1way LSD


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:51 am 
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Wow thank you! I might just put the 1.8 tranny on my 1.6esteem I am sure my car will respond 100x better!


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:04 pm 
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Does the j23 use a 200mm clutch? I thought it used 215mm clutch?
I have 1.6 cable 4wd gearbox in my car, was considering doing a j23 swap one day.

Either way trying to find a good clutch for my 1.6 is hard, however it seems that the act clutches for the 2.0l aerio will fit?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:29 am 
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my act clutch holds my 200hp 1.3 with 8.5 inch wide slicks, so with your j23 swap, you should look if the j18 j20 j23 flywheel bolt pattern are the same (they should!?) and put the aerio 2.0 clutch (don't know the offset of the flywheel will fit jseries --> awd box ) (if not= custom flywheel, or a spacer with longer bolts)
but the splines on the input shaft are the same

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:33 pm 
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Hi again bostssgt, well for the moment I think I am going to stay with the 1.6and 1.6 4wd cable shift box but the clutch does need doing if im going to be launching it.
Just to reiterate :
sz011 pressure plate bolts to the 2wd/ 4wd 1.6flywheel? Do you think the 4200104 clutch disk would work too ?
If so im probably going to go order one today.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:00 pm 
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buy the whole clutch kit sz2-hdg4
it's a bolt on for your setup

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:42 pm 
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Thanks, I was looking at the sz2-hdg6 kit [ the same but 6puck rather than 4puck ]
Do you get a lot of clutch noise?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:02 am 
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no the engine and other vibration noises are killing it :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:58 am 
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Thanks for the invaluable info in this thread. Now a sticky!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:32 pm 
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Cusco LSD for suzuki swift sport ZC31S 2007 M16A
LSD part number# LSD 617 H from http://www.rhdjapan.com

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