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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:36 pm 
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Anybody have poly bushes on their sway-bar drop-links?? The ones I picked up from Rospen don't fit snugly on the drop-link like I think it should. There is about .5mm-1mm play when you slide them over the shaft. I don't know if they sent me the wrong ones meant for perhaps a newer GTi with larger end-links (if there is such a thing), or if this is normal and when it is all bolted together, it is supposed to be how it takes up the slack.<br><br>If anyone has come accross this on their GTi let me know. I'm still waiting to hear back from Rospen on this as well as some other Qs.<br><br> <br>-- n1tr0 -- found this, changed the subject & made it sticky<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=n1tr0>n1tr0</A> at: 3/12/03 11:39:28 am<br></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:38 pm 
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I also picked up a front caster offset bushing/shim kit, larger rear bar +bushes, off-set outer D bush for rear control arm... The others have gone ok, minus these end-links.<br>I'll have a page up on the install of them all once I finish putting it on. (all bushings already off, and that seemed to be the easy part).<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:00:55 pm<br></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:57 am 
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Whiteline Automotive group says... "Kyle you dumb---"<br> or in reality<br><br>"As far as the blue round sway bar link bushes, these are correct for your car. The hole in these bushes is slightly bigger the link rod, but this is absolutely not a problem. The forces here are axial not radial."<br><br>as usual... me myself, and I having a conversation here. More information to come then, <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:01:05 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: where
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:41 pm 
Whathee did you buy your bushings from Whiteline ? Anxious to hear how it changes the handling. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: where
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:26 pm 
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I picked them up from Rospen... although if you are ordering the rear bar, Rospen is not the best option. I personally would encourage people to go to Whiteline. The rear bar I have is good, but the shipping costs they added on was ridiculous. The shipping cost calculator that Whiteline has says over $100 cheaper than what Rospen charged me. Not sure if they just marked up my shipping, or sent it out in a funny way, but lesson learned. I was ordering some other things from them, so I figured it would be the easier. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Unfortunately by the time I hit the track next season with my R compounds for a real analysis, I will also be trying block-style LSD/chassis stiffening/camber bolts. My impressions in the mean-time will only be from the 'street'.<br><br>I had the car out with just the large rear bar + rear bushes... the difference is noticed in the first corner. The roads are gravelly from recent snow, and I have crap tires on, but the difference is day + night. I feel confident in entering and leaving the corner faster than before, and the front tires are not lifting up like before. This bar + rear bushes should do well for lap times. <br><br>As for the fronts- the front bushes I already have installed on a set of spare control arms. All I need to do is pop off the lower balljoint, sway bar (bushes get changed anyways), and bolts on the body and swap them over. I think the main difference coming from having more caster will be noticed at the track under very heavy cornering. However, even turn-in and stability should be better as my stock bushings were old, crushed, and falling apart. Anything new/stiffer will be bound to hamper my judgement. <br>----<br><br><br>Summarize- the rear goodies have been worth it so far. I expect the front to be worth it, but show itself more at the track. <br><br>I was talking to someone else on here via email and he mentioned the rear bar on the 92+ is 19mm.. Is the newer bar that much bigger? My 89 was like 14 or 15mm... I'm curious because adding parts from same model line of car is usually allowed without points taken for racing. I should have looked into this before if I had known the 92+ was that big.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:02:33 pm<br></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:29 pm 
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Here is a link to a few pics and basic install notes so far... The batteries in my digital camera were dead so I couldn't zoom out for a complete shot of the rear suspension. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/suspension.html">www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/suspension.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>>>You talk to yourself a lot don't you? '<br><br>What I want to know, is why is your message edited. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:02:55 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Talking to myself
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 8:31 pm 
Yes the 92+ rear sway bar is 19mm.<br>And as far as you talking to your self thats ok...just as long as you aren't playing with yourself<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>and as i come through with the info i need to compensate for that and be stupid for a sec...I saw a website that had a 7/8in rear sway bar for the swift...is that bigger then the 19mm? oh and kyle if you really want a stock swift sway bar i would trade you for your new one<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Does anyone know what would be better strut tower bar or anti sway bar (both rear)? I am still getting a little outside wheelspin on hard corners >90 degrees <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 8:46 pm 
Yeah forget that i asked about the 7/8in sway bar<br>7/8in = 22.225mm<br>bigger = better<br>now i just need to find out where in the hell i saw that web site...a link to it is on this forum as if that helped <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:11 pm 
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So will the swaybar off the 92 Swift fit the 89? If so is it worth doing this mod instead of buying an aftermarket bar? <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: 2 be or not 2 be...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 3:45 am 
I would think so...where the brackets bolt onto the body are the same and the new bushings would come off of the donor car. that is if you can find one! <br>and it should be cheap....just as long as the junk yard dog doesn't catch you!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Talking to myself
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 5:04 pm 
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>oh and kyle if you really want a stock swift sway bar i would trade you for your new one<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>that would be awfully generous of you. I might have tried swapping you for my 14mm rear bar. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I think I'm screwed as far as classifications go o the track... just out to have fun now.<br><br>22mm bar was Addco or something was it not? Most upgraded bars are 20-21mm. Which is still a noticeable improvement. few hundred percent more-so if you have the wimpy older bar like mine.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:04:16 pm<br></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:00 pm 
Kyle,<br>Where did you get the bushings for the rear control arms?<br>I am installing H&R springs, Koni adjustable shocks, Whiteline larger rear sway bar, front control arm bushing kit and the camber bolt kit. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:06 pm 
About the rear poly bushings, do these come with the stock position to maintain the stock geometry or do they have the offset hole like the front ones from Whiteline?<br>Also has anyone thought about "boxing in" the rear control arms? The factory did weld in some sheet metal but it looks like a little more would be helpful. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:04 pm 
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From Rospen.<br><br>They are off-set like the Whiteline front caster kit.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 4/4/03 7:05:03 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 2 be or not 2 be...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:04 am 
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I took out my signatures. I realize it was only one line... but posting it a bunch of times in the sticky seemed ugly. Other than that, just removed some of the 'cool car' posts.... not that there is anything wrong with that besides in the stickys.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:40 pm 
Kyle, regarding the bushings on the drop links,for street use the fit on the drop links is probably not that critical. After 2 months suspension development with multimatic my view changed. The bush really should be snug when torqued down if its not the response will be poor. Another suggestion when fitting the suspension to the car is to let the car down on all 4 tires with the weight of the driver in the seat, then torque all suspension points, not when the thing is on the hoist as this tends to bind bushings and they will not work properly. Watch the bigger is better theory it will spin around and bite your as* literally.<br>All the best<br>Beats<br>KARW <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Talking to myself
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:03 pm 
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Good point, I didn't have a driver, but suspension was on ground. The shop is clean, my car is dirty, I do the work on it at home... no hoist.<br><br>Have you found problems with over-tightening the bushes? <br><br><br>I haven't found anything too big on the market for rear bars yet... or have you experienced otherwise on a GTi?<br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=whattheeee>Whattheeee</A> at: 6/20/03 9:05 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Big bar
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:38 am 
Yah over tightening the bushings will prematurely ejaculate..er...wear out the bushings and cause the suspension to perform poorly. Like its over sprung but usally only on one corner...just imagine putting in different rate springs on either side of the car...spooky handling comming up!!<br><br>Hey whats the address/phone number for the whiteline bushings from Rospen? Are these the caster kit they offer/ Where is this fitting on the front arm?<br><br>Thanks<br>Beats...<br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Big bar
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:46 pm 
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you can get them from whiteline <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.whiteline.com.au">www.whiteline.com.au</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>or from Rospen <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://members.iinet.net.au/~rospen/">members.iinet.net.au/~rospen/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I picked mine up from Rospen. The caster kit uses an off-set poly bush for the big D bush on the control arm, and adds some spacers (washers) behind that big umm... stabilizing rod with the circular bush on the control arm. I would be interested in hearing your experiences given that you have been playing with suspensions so much lately. If you get a set, let me know how it goes.<br><br>I'm happy with mine on the 'street' so far, although I won't really know until I get it to the track. <br><br><br><br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:27 am 
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Hey kyle,Where can i get the bushings that go to the control arm (the one you have pictured and quote"A picture of the bushing after it was hammered out,,,explains itself"I was sent a "full set"from Select Sales,but that wasnt included.All i got was the 4 big bushings and swaybar bushings.I bought some other poly bushings that i might be able to use but i would have to double them up in length( and cut,,maybe)Do you have the dimentions of the replacements so i could match it up ,,or order the real replacement.Whiteline is too confusing for the bushing "department" and rospen i dont think have it <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:10 pm 
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The circular bush is part of the caster kit from Rospen or Whiteline. Not sure if they sell it outside the caster kit, but they may. Be sure to write your experiences with the kit after. I found mine to be absolutely frickin' lovely.<br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:42 am 
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i'm posting whitelines response to a recent email of mine for those of you who've dug around their site trying to find all the bushings for our car (vs. paying obscene amounts from ssgti.com)<br>>>><br>Hi Kristen,<br><br>Thank you for your email.<br><br>I'd like to start off by directing your attention to our Suzuki Swift GTi fact sheet, which I have no doubt you have already seen.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/fact_sheets/CK_Swift_Gti.PDF">www.whiteline.com.au/docs...ft_Gti.PDF</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>You will note listing for caster kit (KCA302) and front sway bar link bushes.<br><br>There are a couple of points that are not very clear or have been changed recently, and is not reflected on the fact sheet.<br><br>Firstly, the lower control arm brace (KSB705) has not actually been released yet and at this stage is not available. We will be revisiting this product again in the future.<br><br>Secondly, the caster kit (KCA302) includes both front and rear poly bushes for the front lower control arm. The fact sheet states rear bushes only - again, this will be fixed in the next update.<br><br>Therefore, all of the front bushes are taken care of with the caster kit and sway bar link bushes.<br><br>And lastly, front and rear shocks have internal re-bound adjustment, not external as is noted on the fact sheet.<br><br>Most of these are typographical errors, which will be amended at the next update.<br><br>The rest of the bushes are as follows;<br><br>F Sway Bar Mount To Chassis Bush SPF618-_ _K <br>*** Measure bar diameter 18,22,24,27mm available 2B ***<br>R Control Arm - Inner Front Bush SPF673-70K Comfort settings 2B,2T<br>R Control Arm - Inner Front Bush SPF673K Competition use only 2B,2T<br>R Control Arm - Inner Rear Bush SPF955K 2B,2T<br>R Control Arm - Outer Bush SPF1411K Bush in stub axle 4B,2T<br>R Sway Bar Mount To Chassis Bush SPF1690-_ _K <br>*** Measure bar diameter 17,18,20mm available 2B ***<br><br>Trust that this helps, and feel free to contact us again.<br><br>Regards,<br>Wojtek Rogulski<br>wojtek@whiteline.com.au<br><br>Technical Support<br><br>Go flat-out with WHITELINE Automotive<br><br>See us at http://www.whiteline.com.au<br>Buy online at http://www.whiteline.com.au/store <br><<< <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:36 am 
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I have had the Whiteline "The Works" package installed. My laptimes have jumped from 1:20:2 at Wakefield to 1:17:2<br>My Swift is stock, and I had the upper strut brace fitted. My rear swaybar already being 19mm was left alone. The laptimes both times were on Yokohama A032R.<br><br>The feel of the car was phenomenal over standard. The inside front wheel remains on the ground much longer during cornering. I have not played with the Koni settings yet and I have no idea what they are set at right now. Whiteline "doesnt remember" how they were set, "most probably middle range". <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>Rear bushings do not look like they were touched. How much would that improve the rear?<br>Does the rear castor kit change make much difference?<br><br>Another thing. Whiteline did not mention on the email that the prices quoted on the pdf ARE NOT current. And please ask for a written quote for work to be done.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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Is there a noticeable increase in vibrational intrusions to the passenger compartment using poly control arm bushings vs. the stock rubber ones?

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 Post subject: part numbers
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:18 pm 
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ok people here goes and before anyone says it im not being lazey.
i cant seem to work out the part numbers for all these bushes below.
my gti is 1990 stock rear antiroll bar and dont plan on changeing it.
im planning on buying from whiteline so those are the part numbers im after.
pls help :roll: :(


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