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 Post subject:  GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:12 am 
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I'm interested in seeing as many dyno runs from GTis as I can. I may move this to the war stories section, but for now, it's in General Performance Upgrades. <br><br>List your mods done, what kind of dyno it was on, and any other important information. <br><br>If you need help posting it, send it to me. I'll create a web-page for this purpose.<br><br><br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:39 am 
i got my gti dynoed a few months ago but i wasnt happy much with result.these is wat ivee done to my gti: <br>port n poilshed head (exhaust manifold bored out to match extractor)<br>group A camshafts<br>extractor<br>2" exhaust piping<br>air pod<br>stock ecu<br><br>Fist run:<br>Max torque 193.2 Nm @ 6491 RPM<br>Max Power 50.9 kW @ 6682 RPM<br><br>Second run:<br>Max Torque 197.8 Nm @ 6569 RPM<br>Max Power 52.7 kW @ 6601 RPM<br><br>done in 4 gear with 12deg timing<br>i could of got more POWER but the stock ecu held back the performance i have done <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:44 pm 
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Are those corrected or un-corrected figures? What is the altitude where you live? Did you try to lower timing? My car didn't like timing and lost power on the dyno. Any idea of your a/f curve? Was the head work done a very bad thing?<br><br>I dynoed 85hp@wheels (62kW) on baseline runs with just intake/exhaust on a Dynojet 248. I know Scotts GTi locally with just exhaust baslined something similar a few years back on a different dyno.<br><br>I'll post more of mine soon.<br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 10:03 am 
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Hey Kyle when I use the HP calculators with my 1/4 mile times I get 103HP at the wheels. <p>Tony<br><br>Proud owner of<br>1970 AMX 360/auto with A/C<br>1989 Suzuki Swift GTi<br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:09 am 
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hi ppl,<br><br>amxdreamer can you tell me the formula.... ?<br>thks =) <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:28 am 
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mrchief, just looking at yours again. Do you have a printout of the dyno or have it scanned. Are those numbers correct or from memory? Seems weird that a G13B would have such great torque and such crappy horsepower and both peak at the same rpm.<br><br><br>Cazam you can find hp/ET calculators on the net like here. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.torinocobra.com/horsepower.htm">www.torinocobra.com/horsepower.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:52 am 
i know!...whattheeee<br>i did get it professional dynied and aslo i hav a printout but i dont hav a scanner...if u wanna see the printout it mite take a few days to do it okey mate<br><br>toNy <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:37 pm 
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I think there is a thread between a civic Si and a GTi that I listed my mods I will try and find it. <p>Tony<br><br>Proud owner of<br>1970 AMX 360/auto with A/C<br>1989 Suzuki Swift GTi<br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:07 pm 
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Sure, it'll probably take me a few days to get mine up. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I'm just curious to see what your power curve is like. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: GTi Dyno runs
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:43 am 
<br><br><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/swiftgti94/" target="top">www.geocities.com/swiftgti94/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:19 pm 
Headed to the dyno tonight. Hoping for some more horses with the carbs.<br><br>Suzuki Jon<br>#75 GP <br>Will be at the June Sprints at Road America June 20-22 <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:44 pm 
yo...whattheee<br>i got a fwend to take a foto of the printout on the digi but i dont know how to post it...can i have ur email so u can post it for me...thanks<br><br>toNy <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 9:03 am 
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Absolutely. I was going to put up a quick web page of various dyno runs as well. kyle_jones@hotmail.com if it's not a big big file you can send it there. If you can't resize it let me know at that address. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: dyno runs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:06 pm 
Here in Spain thats what we obtain in one of our ssgti´s from the club, the Dyno is from BOSCH, the most common here, you can see the torque ( Nm) and Hp at the engine, the green line is the difference between power at the engine and at the wheels, is an inercial Dyno, it calculates everything, it modifies everything in relation with preasure etc...<br><br>Here is the link, is in PDF format, note the bad point at 2000 rpm due to the big S H I T induction air filter and the straight line instead of the catalitic converter, the car has 130.000 Km, and the mods are:<br><br>muffler<br>catalitic converter off<br>o2 sensor off ( using leaded petrol 97 octane)<br>and sparco filter...<br><br>LINK: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://vagspeed.en.telepolis.com/s-ssgti.pdf">vagspeed.en.telepolis.com/s-ssgti.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: dyno runs
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:45 am 
whatteeee, u need to delete some emails cos i cant send the email to ya...u got other email address???<br><br>toNy <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: dyno runs
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 7:33 am 
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yep, send me a private small email to the other address, and I'll give you the other address for you to send the file to.<br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: re:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:47 pm 
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Baseline runs a few weeks ago on this stock motor was 85.2hp and 77.3lb/ft<br><br>today after tuning on the dyno with junk-yard turbo<br><br>140.1hp at the wheel on 7.5psi.<br>126.4 lb/ft of torque at the wheel.<br><br>This is from 160-175hp at the flywheel. The Mitsu TE04H is greaaat turbo and makes power from 2000rpms and on. The runs above are both turbo. The small one from the 1st run of the day, to turbo end of the day with tuning of fuel and boost only. timing is mentioned on there. What is interesting to see is that when you have enough boost in, it removes the inefficiencies in the intake and head and really starts to make huge power. I could have turned the boost up more, but on pump gas, and stock injectors I didn't feel like pushing it. For a stock motor, it responded beyond my expecatations!!<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswiftdyno.html">www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/...tdyno.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: 140 whp swift?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:24 am 
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holy shizzatttt!!!<br><br>that's so sweet...your car must fly!<br><br>you gotta gimmie a 1/4 mile track time...pleeeeeezzeeeee...<br><br>gimmie a 13.99, and I'm getting a turbo setup asap!!!<br><br>nice work dude...<br>TGstring<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: re:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:18 am 
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so kyle, you fixed the old setup & re-installed it ? <br>email me w/ some details or post again =)<br>looks sweet <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>just a quick question as well, lower afm reading like 10:1 is rich correct ? vs starting off @ 14-13.5:1 ?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=n1tr0>n1tr0</A> at: 6/20/03 11:44 am<br></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:38 pm 
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Well, I wasn't sure if 140whp would be enough for 13s so I went back at it today. I'll try and get some track times in the next little while. <br><br>As for more fun news for today... It came to mind that this turbo was really only starting to become efficient at 6-7psi. Sooo after saying ahh helll, it will take, and 9-9.5psi, all I have to say to the nay-sayers of Kyles junk-yard project...<br><br>151.7hp at the wheel <br><br>146 lb/ft of torque at the wheel.<br><br>Over 20lb/ft of torque improvement overnight yet again with only a few clicks of a boost controller!!! Try getting those numbers naturally aspirated overnight. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswiftdyno.html">www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/...tdyno.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The first dyno on the page now shows current turbo vs. intake/exhaust and basically stock. Plus a couple of pics of the car on the dyno.<br><br>-------<br><br>n1tro it is the same system as last time, with my 5th injector removed. The only addition is a) a motor without 285,000kms on it and b) of course is the much needed boost controller and more time on dyno to tune fuel pressure. I did re-paint the pipes to less crappy blue and powder coated the valve cover. Perhaps that could be the extra power.<br><br>The skinny on my car...<br><br>Mitsu TE04H turbo from 2.2L Chrysler turbo<br>Bosch cheap-o plastic BOV<br>DSM Side-mount intercooler<br>DSM fuel pump upgrade<br>Custom aluminum fuel rail <br>Turbo Excess Manual Boost controller<br>Custom cheap-o adjustable fuel pressure regulator<br>LINK 3D AFM Intercept +/- 128% correction unit<br>Base timing to 2 degrees<br>91 Octane Gas<br>Home-made individual runner style manifold<br>home-made intake/intercooler piping<br>home-made 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust<br>Stock NGK BPR6 spark plugs (not even the 7s)<br>Original Suzuki plug wires from 1989<br>Stock ignition coil with 285,000kms on it.<br>Stock injectors<br>Stock radiator<br>Stock engine internals<br>Stock compression<br><br>Non-power stuff<br><br>H&R Springs<br>Koni Shocks<br>Front Caster kit with off-set poly bushes<br>Front Camber bolts<br>Rear off-est control arm poly bushes<br>Rear strut brace<br>Soon to be an underbody brace from TeamSwift pro Jardamuth<br>+ some audio stuff with custom panels, MB quarts, JLs and stuff like that.<br><br>+ more<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:24 pm 
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i didn't see the maf in your list ? stock ? i know you're using the link to modify the signal ... but still, the sensor isn't maxing out w/ the airflow required to produce so much hp ? & is still allowing enough room to tune w/o overdoing the voltage to the ecu ?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: hmmm
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:11 pm 
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the 2nd to last pic of your engine there kyle<br><br>what kind of heat shroud is on your header/turbo?<br>almost looks stock. good for understatements when hood is up<br>have u any data on EGTemps?<br><br>that is pretty decent numbers, even for a little while anyways<br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: hmmm
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:24 pm 
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Nice numbers Kyle! I want to see some timeslips <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Tony<br><br>Proud owner of<br>1970 AMX 360/auto with A/C<br>1989 Suzuki Swift GTi<br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: hmmm
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:51 am 
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I want some timeslips too Tony. Hopefully soon. I went to go last weekend but they were rained out.<br><br>n1tro, the AFM is stock and the signal is maxed out, but I believe what is happening is that the injectors are being pulsed basically at or near 100% duty cycle, and the added pressure under boost and with the 1:1 regulator is taking care of the rest. The nice thing about the dyno is that I can test the limits and check the a/f curve after each run. There was no hint of detonation or struggle from the motor to make this much power. It is just simply in better shape than the last POS I had in the car with a 285,000 very bagged kms. Thanks again for bringing it down. The 100% duty cylce and increased pressure isn't what I want for a street GTi, so you'll likely see me keep it at 140hp@wheel. <br><br>Given the decent construction of these motors MURR, there should be no reason with proper tuning that this is not a sustainable street hp level. I ran 50hp shot on another motor for over a year, and I know guys like Superzuki GTi on here have had even more success with power and longevity. The heat shroud is the stock one, just bent a bit. It doesn't look so 'bling, bling' under the hood, and I do like that... like you say, understatement. EGT temps were 550c at 117hp at the wheel. No ideas of the temps now, but given the fuel curve and the health of the motor after 15 big runs in a row, I can't see them being catastrophic. I've been waiting for my replacement EGT gauge to come but HKS is taking forever to release their new style gauges.<br><br><br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kyle Jones<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br>Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: GTi Dyno Runs
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:50 am 
whatteeee, did u recieve my email???<br><br>toNy <p></p><i></i>


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